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Question about Pentagram

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by 84niner, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. genesis

    genesis asleep at the wheel

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    Close. This here is a case of someone else using the design of our choice of avatars to push our buttons. I am using it because I happen to like the artwork of it.

    This is very true and I find it funny that "Christians" associate the design with evil when they too at one point in time in history used the symbol to represent the five wounds of Jesus on the cross.
     
  2. 84niner

    84niner Full Access Member

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    I understand that a pentagram that has a right side up is (God Ruling) and an upside down is (evil ruling). The problem I have with the right side up is it tells me this is the way to truth. Also, it speaks of conjuring up spirits using a Ouija board. I know that the way to truth for myself is to read Gods word and I just as soon leave the "spirits" where they belong.

    The following is an example of what I speak of:

    Pentagram
     
  3. BigVito

    BigVito Splitting Headache

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    Niner, do you believe that the pentagram/pentacle has actual power or is it just a symbol?
     
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    It looks sweet on metal bands album covers.
     
  5. genesis

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    If you know the true way to enlightenment is through "God" then a star should be nothing more then a star to you too. Thank you for the link. The whole thing explains what I have been saying all along. I especially like this part........
    "The retroactive -- and largely inaccurate -- association of the pentagram with all things devilish has provided ample fodder for those loonies whose lives are devoted to seeking to chart the dark influence of Satan all over the world. "
    The only thing I do not get is why you would use this article as an example of what you are saying? The article says nothing about right side up or upside down meanings and though it does mention Wiccan beliefs it mentions nothing about Ouija boards or conjuring spirits. At least I am not seeing where it says anything about that. Are you sure you posted the right link?
     
  6. ECILAM

    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    Thank you; I forgot that part.
     
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    Do you even read these articles before you post them ?
     
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    Only those that live in "darkness" fear. Why? Because they are dead men walking. Satan is sentenced to death and those that worship satan as their father will die with their father. Those that has accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior live in the Light. Therefore, greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. No demons can harm those that live in the Light unless you permit them to harm you.

    Example: Mark 5-1-20.

    Jesus went to the country of the Gadarenes where He confronted a man possessed by 6000 demons (legion) and ask Jesus to remove the demons. The demons inside the possessed man recognized Jesus as the Lord and the demons requested that he cast them into swine. Jesus cast the demons into the swine and of course the swine (has more sense than humans) perferred to die instead of living with demons and drown themselves.

    You asked...why didn't Jesus send them back to where they came? The reason is because those that live in the Light has the power over them and have the authority to cast them back to where they came. Demons knowing that they can be cast back to where they came fear those that know the Word and the truth. God has given us armor and the Word to defend ourselves from any attack. An attack that comes our way will be repelled back 100 times.
     
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    Ok...whos talking about fear? What does any of this have to do with Vito's question.

    will you ever answer a question directly?
     
  10. ECILAM

    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    I keep forgetting how long it's been since I first joined TBR and was generally a little more vocal about "my" beliefs. In those days I was still strongly influenced by Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible - at least more so than now - and felt more of a need to "get out there" and dispel propaganda and urban legends connected to Satanism and the Left-Hand Path. Now that the Information Age is picking up steam I kind of take it for granted that more people are taking advantage of all the readily-available information out there and being exposed to knowledge that used to be truly "occult," or hidden.

    But for those who have the attention span and curiosity to learn more about contemporary Western spiritual dissent, just so you'll know what it is and isn't:

    One place to start would be Gavin Baddeley's Lucifer Rising: Sin, Devil Worship and Rock & Roll. Written from an unapologetically LaVeyan Satanist perspective, this book nontheless does a pretty good job of exploring a wide range of various forms the "Black Arts" have taken throughout history, with a special emphasis on the pop culture and music of the late Twentieth Century. The author also makes no attempt to sugarcoat the material, showing through interviews and research a wide range of characters, from thoughtful and creative eccentrics to rambling buffoons and all in between. Lavishly illustrated.

    A more scholarly approach can be found in Lords of the Left-Hand Path: A History of Spiritual Dissent by Stephen E. Flowers, Ph.D. This book de-emphasizes the focus on Western/Abrahamic "Satanism" and explores the core principles of the Left-Hand Path - self-empowerment through breaking of external taboos and limitations - as practiced in a wide variety of world cultural and historical traditions. This history leads up to the present day, where the contemporary environment is explained with unheard-of accuracy and attention to detail.

    The definitive text on the origins and history of Satanism as a distinct and overtly religious movement in the United States is The Church of Satan by Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D. I have yet to find a better-written, more exhaustively documented account of events it relates to (it's a friggin huge book).

    Now for those who want to invent imaginary nonsense out of thin air and hope you can make it true by believing it hard enough... well, you have fun with that.
     

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