Second-level DTs

You have to wonder the mentality of the casual Panthers' fan when considering the titles the guys over at the Disturber use.

"Panthers may bolster defensive line in draft" REALLY?!?!?! *morons*

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/659370.html

Anybody that watched the Arizona game--not even Panthers' fans--could see the lack of a pass rush enabled Warner to pick us apart. Apologists will try to use the 3-step drop excuse, but really, there is no excuse.

Besides the retarded, painfully obvious title, I can't argue too much with their train of thought on the selections. Only if we do select Gilbert, I really think we keep him as a DT and wouldn't utilize him as a DE.

 

in some scenarios, it's come down to where it's Gilbert v/s Moala. I don't know that either option will be there, especially given the two-to-three rounds statement above, but if it's down to those two, who does everyone like? I think I'd choose someone different each time.

I don't think that Gilbert suddenly becomes a right end in 2010 if Peppers is gone. He could start at end like Cullen Jenkins and move inside on pass downs - and we were never built on super-speed-rush guys on the outside anyway. And we do need to start with the run and build out to the pass, IMO, which Gilbert would help at end. But is a more versatile player the more risky one? Moala will play the same role he did in college, he's physically and mentally mature, and he's not one dimensional. But he has less upside, whereas if Gilbert could work out at DT he'd be ridiculously explosive.

 

I don't think Gilbert will have the skill set to be an effective DE from the outset. Technique being considered, I feel one could be more effective at DT than DE given lack of considerble experience...a one-trick pony if you will.

Gilbert may develop into a well rounded defensive lineman in a few years, but for the immediate future, he would be more suited inside. If he can get stronger and add some more weight, that would be ideal for staying put at DT.

Moala I feel is one dimensional. He's a big body a la Kemo that can plug a hole, but can he pressure up the gut? If we get simply a gap filler then on passing downs (anitcipated or not) the opposing QB will get a nice little horseshoe-shaped pocket from which he can pick and choose his targets at will. We need pocket collapsers.

At this time our entire DL are specialists. Either they are gap filling DTs for the run or ends that pressure the edges on passing downs.

I would like a stout D-line that doesn't HAVE to be rotated because of weakness in one facet of their game. Our packages will (and did) become too predicatable. It seems like I'm wishing for a lot, though an everydown D-lineman shouldn't be that hard to find. However, judging by what Hanyesworth got paid on the open market, maybe these players ARE a dying breed.

 

Where does Lewis fit into those two groups?

Haynesworth.

 

Where does Lewis fit? Neither...and the reason I can't stand the thought of him being our starter.

Thanks for pointing out the typo, I'll be SURE to point out one of yours someday.

 

that's where we disagree, then. I think Moala in a one gap would be a decent run stopper and a good overall player against whatever he's seeing. I believe Moala is better at both while at DT right now than Gilbert at DT. Gilbert will fairly quickly take on the pass side of that, but will take a while to be a better run defender.

 

Totally agree.

 

Granted Moala is a one gap player. I think he'll be okay versus the pass. Scouting reports say he plays too high and if that's the case, he wouldn't be able to get leverage (low and under the pads) thereby driving the guard backwards.

Who would be the immediate impact player between the two? Moala, I'll give you that. We have our starters at DT set (sadly enough) and I'm thinking beyond this year. Gilbert has the best upside and that is what I am most interested in. Neither of them will unseat the incombents. Returning starters are usually safe, especially under Fox. So if they are playing second fiddle anyway wouldn't you take the more raw, yet more talented prospect. I would.

 

Moala's the better player now, IMO. Gilbert probably makes more plays right now, but gives up more.

Like I said, it's fairly even to me. You could say in a mock that you'll choose one because another guy is out there later, but you don't have that ability in the real thing. I would be fine with either and am guessing we don't end up with the choice.

 

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