Albert Haynesworth

looks like the cardinals were thinking the same thing at halftime.

 

No, Arizona making the Super Bowl really isn't that unlikely, whereas a defense improving after subtracting someone like Peppers is incredibly unlikely. Arizona probably would not have made the playoffs if they were in the AFC East, AFC North, AFC South, NFC East, or NFC South. Once you get in the playoffs, I've said repeatedly that it's a crapshoot. The Giants weren't remotely the best team in football last season, they just got hot at the right time and benefited from some luck.

 

to say definitively they will not improve. You knew exactly what I meant.

and no, I don't definitively believe they're just screwed if he goes.

 

There is one correct way to read those two sentences in the English language, and that's what I thought you meant. If you meant something other than what you actually said, that's not really my problem.

As for the Panthers, it's certainly possible for them to make the playoffs without Peppers, but it will have to be because of the offense.

 

Nope. I said what I intended, and you read it as you wanted. It was, after all, about something you did say.

I just don't get this idea that we're doomed. This is really fucking unfortunate and if there was anything on defense to undo, this would be it, but this is not a death sentence. We are not one player. We finished 18th and under no year would I ever expect us to not make strides to improve from that.

 

No, magnus. Those two sentences mean one thing in the English language. "Try to improve" employs a transitive verb. When a connecting sentence uses an implied verb or subject, then it adopts the full transitive meaning. Therefore the phrase "the team will try to improve. To say definitively they will not is foolish" is read as "the team will try to improve. To say definitively they will not (try to improve) is foolish." If you did not intend to imply the full transitive verb then you should not have left it implied at all. You should have said "the team will try to improve. To say definitively they will not improve is foolish."

Obviously you meant something different than what you actually said, which is fine. But next time act like an adult and take responsibility for fucking up instead of always trying to blame someone else.

Points decide games, not yards. We finished 12th in points allowed despite facing one of the toughest schedules of opposing offenses. And there is absolutely no question that the defense will be less talented next season without Peppers. Given that he was not only talented but productive as well, it is highly, highly unlikely that the defense could lose him and yet somehow get better.

 

Of course they do. And most statistical defensive rankings are in yards. Clearly, the points are the better ranking for us, but you've consistently tried to dismiss the ideals of us having defensive problems by saying we gave up 12th best in points. It was, of course, also one of our worst point performances in Fox's tenure. There's reason to suggest it could go down, being in the top half of the league, but statistically we've lost Pro Bowl level talent and done about as well. This year's defense was statistically one of the worst we've had.

With a worse offense, including four quarterbacks, less running game, less pass rush, worse field position, and 2.5 sacks out of Peppers, we finished better, so the idea that one player makes us unconditionally just isn't something I buy, nor is it above question.

no. There's plenty of question, given that neither of us have any idea what the team will do, whether they'll have additional draft picks, any of it. There's no question that saying something definitively about what will happen is, at best, foolish. You simply don't know. If you want to have the opinion that it will be very tough to increase talent, that's fine, but again, we're not irrevocably doomed.

 

More lies from the guy who insists he isn't biased against me. Awesome. Actually if you care to look at this thread you'll see that I detailed some of the problems on defense and how I believe that they can be improved. What I said is that the defense wasn't awful, nor the reason why we lost to the Cardinals.

Not correct. We gave up 329 points this season despite playing one of the toughest schedules of offenses, while last season we gave up 347 points despite an easier schedule. We did give up 7 more yards per game, but the schedule as well as losing Jenkins & Rucker probably had something to do with that.

This is the part where you come off as an idiot with his head stuck firmly up the team's ass. Peppers is arguably the most talented defensive end (and maybe player) in the league. You don't lose a guy like that and get more talented, no matter who else you bring in. All too often you let your emotions lead you to make stupid statements.

 

I'm fully aware that you know there are problems there, but you consistently discount them with the points allowed. Points allowed don't show our problems, so you're parsing at best.

In yardage. And yes, I'm correct. We were better. We finished with 1.125 more points per game last year, yes. With all those differences not helping the defense, including Pepeprs, 1.125 more points per game. So would losing Peppers hurt, undeniably? Yes. Would it make it conclusively impossible for us to get better than an 18th ranked defense? No.

No. Again, you have no idea what we'll do so to say something conclusively without most of the facts is generally what gets you in the worst trouble as far as statements go.

 

The number of points we allowed is a fact. The schedule where we played the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th best scoring offenses this season is also a fact. Those are things you are prone to ignore whenever convenient. What I disagree with is the concept that the defense has been terrible, something you've only truly started espousing since you needed something to cover for your beloved Jake Delhomme.

Do they settle NFL games based on who gained more yards? Since you didn't know that Kemoeatu plays LDT and not RDT, I didn't know if you were aware that the scoreboards actually track points and the winner is determined that way. And no, as I said, it's not impossible for us to finish better than 12th in points allowed next season, it's just highly unlikely. It is impossible for us to subtract Peppers and somehow have a more talented defense, however.