OT's getting highly valued

Christ, no one is quitting on the team, ya know, every fucking year I get that shit vollied at me, and I hate that.

We're upset we gave the bank to do what we did. Otah is shaky....he may be great, but he had legit question marks, and we gave up a TON to get him.

And yeah, its early to start analysis, but thats what we do as fans. We've all said and hoped this will turn out well, but we're well within our rights to fucking bitch.

I'm hopping mad about it, and I bitch every fucking year about something these guys do, and Im still here, have never quit, and Im right about 99% of the time, so I feel Ive earned the right...speaking for myself anyway.....

I think today was horrible. We got two decent players with question marks, and I grade our asses a D. Im fucking pissed about it.

 

Stop pretending those statements are even remotely equivalent. Saying that "we will suck" is unrestrained pessimism and an assertion of imitated fact about the future. Saying that I'm concerned that our pick might be a "good one" is simply a realistic acknowledgment that we aren't guaranteed to be good. If I said "we will" be one of the 10 worst teams, that would have been a lot different.

Moreover, even being pessimistic would not be the same as quitting. Tons of people predicted 7-9 last year and that didn't mean that any of those individuals quit on the season. But I guess because you are a mindless homer, you are offended if others aren't mindless homers as well. Stop being a douche.

 

athletic.
He ran for shit, sure. He's also raw, and I've found a lot of criticism of his technique. Not a lot of questions to whether he had enough athleticism. He adjusts well and has the frame to help. To me, as long as he can get his hands on his guy, he should be able to do his job well in pass protection. He won't ever be elite there and I'm fine with that, but being average at pass pro won't be hard for him.

 

Hell, today didn't happen like I HOPED it would. But how can you NOT be excited about adding two players to the team that were consensus mid-first round prospects? Neither was a reach. Hell, I'd rather had Mendenhall than Stewart, and rather had Albert over Otah, but I'm still fired up to see how this infusion of power helps our running game.

As far as the trade, again, it was within reason compared to other similar moves like Cleveland's last year. And it was the only way to add a first round power RB and first round OT talent to our team THIS YEAR. Who the hell was available at #43 that was in the same class as either of these players? No one.

And we just made our '09 pick in '08. Now I can have a free spring afternoon to do the shit I should have been out doing today.

I'm not being a homer...I guess I'm just surprised at the incredibly negative reaction to our moves today.

 

ESPN:

He's a top heavy guy who has slow feet and doesn't move well laterally at all. He is not athletic. He is very strong and a good blocker at the point of attack, but his subpar agility is why he allowed four sacks this past season for Pittsburgh.

Now you're just making things up to be obstinate. I haven't read a single scouting report that said it will be easy for Otah to be an average or better pass protector. Most cite it as a potential weakness. It is possible that Otah could eventually become an average pass protector, but because of his size and lack of agility, it is unlikely. Look at any film you want and you'll see a guy who doesn't not backpeddle smoothly and does not move laterally with any sort of quickness. Edge rushers ate him up in college and will be even more effective in the pros. The one caveat is that he'll be less exposed at RT since the TE can either chip or at least give Otah a better angle on the LDE.

 

We'll need a TE that can block for that to work.

 

Not many places had Stewart as high as #13, although some did. Most had him in the 20s. Otah was more in his expected value range, but I'm not a huge fan of his regardless. And again, the problem isn't Stewart as a player but rather that he invalidates something we already had in DeAngelo as a first round running back. It was the wrong move for the same reason that taking Flacco would have been the wrong move. We already have a starter at that position, whereas we have multiple other positions in desperate need of additional talent.

It was comparable to the Browns' deal, which was also an awful deal. As I already pointed out, we paid a lot more than the 49ers did to make their deal last season, and more than most other teams in similar situations have done. Did you even notice that every single person on ESPN who commented on it at all said that they thought we gave up too much?

OT fell off, but RB was exceptionally deep. I don't see an enormous amount of difference between Stewart and guys like Matt Forte or Ray Rice. Stewart is a good player, but DW + Forte or Rice would have been more than enough for an effective running game.

Yes, you are.

Because you don't know any better. Again, ignorance is bliss.

 

Agree on him being top heavy. I've read, and seen, him waist-bend too much, too. He's got some technique work, undoubtedly.

I'm not making up anything. It's my opinion. I didn't cite anyone. I even put "To me," in front of the opinion, to signal that it was my own thought.

And then there's the idea that it's an opinion.

four sacks, yes.

I don't want it to sound like I believe this is a slam dunk. I've had reservations about him. But the idea that it's possible in the same mold as winning the lottery for him to be an average pass protector at RT? I think that's going too far.

So, we disagree.

 

I thought it was 4 sacks in 2 years? 4 sacks last year, are you sure?

 

According to the NFL.com profile, yes.