OMFG! Beason's Coming!

That's not accurate, but it's a common fallacy. I think it's taught to protect the feelings of the incompetent, but in any case, we are misled as a society to think that opinions are both equal and unable to be validated or invalidated. If you think about it, though, that's obviously not true. "In my opinion, the Patriots are a good football team" is a valid opinion. "In my opinion, the Patriots are so incompetent that they probably won't win a game for the next ten years" is not.

Please stop talking. Really, please just be quiet. It is beyond frustrating for you of all people, known for making ridiculously asinine claims (mostly about how good Dan Morgan was going to be, just wait and see you guys!), to be rehashing this issue when other people have argued the same point to death that you're trying to, and yet failed miserably. As I pointed out, forfeiture is requested in only a handful of cases (most years don't even have any), and the Lelie ruling was that he should have the opportunity to earn the remainder of his pro-rated option bonus. So someone who is holding out or retires would not be able to keep that money, since it is their action that kept them off the field. It's only in cases like Lelie's where the team chooses to remove the player from the field that the arbitrator ruled that the pro-rated portion of the option bonus cannot be reclaimed by the team because they deprived the player of their ability to earn that money.

Seriously, this whole thing is much ado about nothing. It's not the big issue that people have made it out to be, which is why the vast majority of teams are still giving out option bonuses.

Wrong. The problem was that Hurney didn't offer a satisfactory alternative. The agent never insisted that he had to have an option bonus or there would be no deal. He said that they were standard, which they are, that the Panthers didn't bargain in good faith, which they didn't, and that Hurney's offer was insufficient, which it was. The agent didn't "cave," and you'd have to be a complete idiot to read it that way. Huyghue came out of this smelling like a rose because he got his client far more money than he should have gotten. You better believe that this episode will earn him more clients, not fewer.

Jesus H. Christ. It's like you're intentionally saying the most ridiculous things you can think of to raise my blood pressure. If so, mission accomplished. The problem was not, not, not Beason's agent. Only the most ignorant posters are suggesting that. Everyone who is considered to have more than insignificant football knowledge is saying that Hurney screwed this up. Everyone. It's one thing when people like you ignore my opinion, because I can write that off as just bitter feelings, but I'm honestly amazed that you can ignore the collective wisdom of people who obviously know a lot about football. We're all agreeing about this situation on the basic facts, and yet some people insist that the people who know the most and are in total agreement are still somehow wrong. It's baffling to me, honestly.



The basic facts are as follows:

• Lelie's option bonus money couldn't be recouped because the arbitrator ruled that the team chose to deprive him of his ability to earn it.

• Most teams are still giving out option bonuses.

• The Panthers offered a contract containing an option bonus and then pulled it.

• Hurney's reported offer of incentives was not sufficient.

• Beason ended up getting substantially more than someone in his draft slot should have.

• The amount he got over slot was more than would have been involved in an option bonus anyway.

• Beason unnecessarily missed a week of camp.

The issue is done; he's signed and he's practicing now. Let it go.

 

Beason's agent earned his $$.

 

Hooray. I was travelling today. I saw the news on the crawl line before I left.

I've changed my mind. I do believe before Johnson all the other 1st rounders had option bonuses. Once Johnson signed, Huy? is off the hook for being the 1st to agree to none. So negotiations can begin, and they can compromise on the alternative.

Agree that the 2nd "signing bonus" is probably a guaranteed roster bonus. It sounds better for Huy? to call it a signing bonus.

No matter. He's here. He didnt miss more mentally than Harris, although he did physically.

Whether or not this should have been finished sooner (I don't know), I think the Panthers have set an important precedent. Also thanks to Matt Millen for taking a similar line. Didnt think I'd ever thank Millen for anything.

 

Good God Collin, take a deep breath and as you stated "Let it go".

It blows my mind that you can convince yourself you know everything that went on during closed door meetings. The only thing you know about the netotiations is what was written in the papers so stop pretending you have all the facts...you don't. You don't have to like, appreciate or even read my opinions.....you just make a fool out of yourself when you go on a tirade. I have never been one to throw around insults just because someone has a differing view and I don't plan to start. I would hope that others who choose to respond to any of my postings would also refrain from insults. They don't have to though, its an open forum, and the insults don't bother me. I would just prefer a respectable exchange of thoughts to childish tirades.

 

The problem is that:

• You started arguing a horse that had been beaten worse than Michael Vick's dogs.

• You pretended that the option bonus was some kind of horrible thing to accept when it isn't.

• You made up the idea that Beason's agent didn't want to do any contract without an option bonus, when nothing has ever suggested that.

• You pretended that Hurney won these negotiations and will be praised by his peers, when the obvious truth is that he lost badly and wasted a week of training camp at a key position for no legitimate reason.

But like I said, now he's signed and we can move on. I tell you what, I'll even cross my fingers for a full season from Morgan where he shocks me about how well he plays and you can shove that in my face at the end of the season.

 

Mine too. Fingers are crossed but very half heartedly.

 

It would mean good things for the Panthers if he plays well and stays healthy. I won't throw it in your face though.

 

Btw, listening to Panther Talk right now and Hurney is on, bullshitting about the Beason negotiations. Talking Rodgers up, saying how good he is.

 

"Huyghue said the option bonus is the only stumbling block. The teams are close on the total amount of guaranteed money, believed to be about $6.5 million." This is from a July 30th article.

"Agent Michael Huyghue said Beason, the 25th pick in the draft, will get a $3.2 million signing bonus to make up for the lack of a second-year option bonus, which was the main stumbling block in the negotiations." This was from an August 4th article. It's not "made up".

Since we have agreed to be done and to focus on the 2007 season of Dan Morgan, I am not going to address the other comments but rather "let it go". I would only ask that you refrain from accusing me of "Pretending" when clearly that was not the case.

 

It was the only stumbling block, you ignorant twat. That doesn't mean that he refused to accept any deal that didn't have an option bonus, it means that he wanted one and that he was miffed that the team originally offered it before pulling it. Nowhere in any article does it even suggest that he ever refused to do any contract without an option bonus, and here's a newsflash for you, Lindsey, he agreed to the contract that didn't have one. If he was dead set against any contract that didn't contain an option bonus, Beason still wouldn't be in camp.

The issue was about the guarantees involved, ones that usually come in the form of an option bonus. Hurney's initial offer was crap, something you still have yet to acknowledge. That's why there was a holdout, not because Huyghue irrationally said that he would never agree to anything without an option bonus. Had this offer been on the table at the very beginning, they would have accepted it in a heartbeat because it's a mother fucking steal. Do you understand that, Anna Nicole? Beason got a fuckton more money than he should have at #25, and his agent came out of this smelling like rose.

You can't address the other points because you're a god damned fool who is hopelessly outclassed on this or any other football related issue. I was being all generous and the like by giving your idiotic ass an out where you could save some face, but no, you had to come babbling up because your ego still won't let you admit to yourself how completely stupid you are, so you just had to bring it back up again. Good lord.

Now sew those flapping pussy lips shut and pretend you never commented on this issue to begin with.