If Troy Smith

Seems that youre arguing we're a good team. Are we? Everyone says we are, but we dont look very good on the field. Maybe all of our draft picks being busts is why.

I guess there would have to be a quantifiable way to measure the impact a second rounder on one team is making over a second rounder at maybe a different position on another team.

 

Well, it's my opinion that both Smith and Young have a mechanical/overexaggerated/not fluid delivery and that they really aren't all that different. When you put Smith on an NFL field, he's going to have to make plays with his feet for a while before he'll do anything worth mentioning through the air...and I really don't see Smith doing anything special or even becoming a starter.
Obviously you do see something in him that I can't see/won't see until Smith proves me otherwise.

 

Gotta step in here... Smith's delivery is a LOT nicer than Young's... well at least when Smith sets and throws. Smith is a better "pure" QB than Vick and Young both coming outta college. That doesn't necessarily translate at being a better player at the NFL level, but as far as delivery and touch Smith has them both destroyed.

 

We are a good team. We didn't have the type of success that we expected in 2006, but we have been to two of the last four conference title games and a Super Bowl. In our best years under Fox (2003, 2005) our second round picks (Nelson, Shelton) did absolutely nothing. So I agree that it is not essential to get instant production out of every draft pick.


Young's mechanics are flawed. I believe him and Smith actually release the ball from the same point, despite Young being five inches taller. Smith is a lot more accurate. I don't think anybody can dispute that.

 

You can afford to have that 2nd be a project or a guy who can sit, sure. You'd really rather do that with a 3rd, but we tried for a number of "solid prospects" in 2 under Fox and the only one who's started much is Foster and now Marshall. If you're going to miss, swinging for the fence is better than trying to lift a guy too early because you feel like you need a starter. That'll just force you to spend heavy to replace that need (see Wahle/Hartwig, re-spending on a back after Shelton, Keyshawn after Colbert).

I do, however, really dread the absolute clusterfuck that happens with every team that has a 2nd QB that has any ability whatsoever.

 

See, that kind of thing bothers me because it's not just a difference of opinion, you're just flat out wrong. Anyone can look at a clip of Young throwing and a clip of Smith throwing, then see that the two don't look alike. Young has a low arm angled "flip" delivery that comes primarily from the wrist, leading to sailing and general inaccuracy. Smith is the complete opposite in that he comes directly back to the elbow and comes over the top with his delivery. It's a very short, quick, powerful motion. That's why he's so much more accurate, and is still able to get good velocity on the ball even when on the run. They're absolutely not similar at all, and I have no idea why you would think otherwise when anyone looking at their motions could see that they aren't.

That's completely false. Did you realize that Smith only ran for 204 yards this season? Yes, he is capable of making plays with his legs, but he is not dependent upon it like Young. Smith consistently delivered the ball downfield accurately and with velocity on patterns that are comparable to NFL routes. His is a much, much, much more accomplished and polished passer than Vince Young ever was. Quite honestly, they have almost nothing in common except the fact that they are black. Perhaps you're still stuck in the mindset that by definition all black quarterbacks are running athletes. It's flabbergasting. It's like you've never even watched the guy and just pulled this "opinion" out of thin air.

 

All black men are fast. Honestly, I have no idea how they do it with those big dicks weighing them down. It's pretty amazing.

 

The Huddle Report:

Troy Smith QB Ohio St

STRENGTHS
Troy Smith is a hell of a QB. He is a pocket passer that knows how and when to move out of the pocket. He has a strong arm and when his mechanics are right, he has an accurate arm. Troy has a very good over the top throwing motion that makes his ball easy to see coming out of the pocket. He has a nice touch on the ball to make all the throws and the athleticism to get in the right position to make the difficult throws. He makes good decisions, reads defenses and call his own audibles. He makes the players around him better and through his example, demands they perform their best on every play. Troy shows excellent leadership qualities and is in total control of the offensive players and the game plan when he is on the field. Troy Smith is a hell of a QB.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
The scouts are going to say he is too small – I say, “Bull!” The scouts are going to say he has character issues – I say, “Bull!” His height is not an issue because of his overhand delivery and his athleticism to move in the pocket. His character issues to my knowledge are not drug related nor has he murdered anyone. Troy got in a fight in a parking lot and got involved with a booster that may have or may not have given him money for a no show job. Both issues are maybe stupid, but not enough not to draft him. We are not talking Maurice Clarett here! Troy still has to improve in all phases of his game, but I like what I see for the next level. His game translates very well to the NFL.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 1
What I like about Troy is that he is a pocket passer first and when he moves out of the pocket, he looks to pass first and run later. I like his leadership skills and his “I will do anything to win” attitude. I like his arm strength and the improvement in his overall game during his junior and senior years. I like that he reads defenses and as far as his lack of perfect height, I say, “COACH BETTER!” Let’s count how many tall QB’s have failed in this game. I mean really, do we blame their height for them failing? After all, are they too big? Is that why they failed? Did Ryan Leaf fail because he was too tall? Give me a freaking break! Is the reason for a small QB who is winning because of his height? Or is it because he is playing well? Let me explain this to all of you so called “experts” out there: height or lack of height has nothing to do with how successful you will be in the NFL! Steve Smith (Carolina Panthers) is not a dangerous WR because he is small. He is a dangerous WR because he is good and wants to be good. Troy Smith wants it. He wants it bad and I think he will be an excellent QB for the team that drafts him. I call him Troy (Bull) Smith because that height excuse is a lot of Bull! Troy (Bull) Smith is a hell of a QB.

 

Meals on Wheels doesn't really qualify. Kemo's technically Tongan.


That Huddle Report bio sounds a little fanboy-ish. I do have minor concerns about height, but it's not a deal breaker. I've heard some criticism that his WRs had to adjust to a lot of balls, and I'm not about to say if that's true despite seeing him a fair bit.

He seems like a good prospect. Not one I'd specifically target, though.

 

Sorry, it is my stupid/false/made up/wrong opinion that Smith isn't as good as you think he is and that he and Young have similarities. Now, Happy Birthday you misserable fucker.
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