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Henning/Crossman

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Fred Smoot's Father, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. chipshot

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    and scored a whopping 1 touchdown
     
  2. Collin

    Collin soap and water

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    Sure. I don't automatically dismiss something based on the source. Obviously I think my opinions are much better informed than most sports writers and yet I'm just some random dude. I'm just getting at why people tend to focus on the coaches.

    Maybe later when I'm feeling bored I'll look more in depth at the situations where we run and figure out why we aren't running 25-30 times a game. Obviously we don't need to do that every week, but it does seem like we've done it less frequently recently. Some of it has to do with getting behind and some of it is not running well early on, but it's still a valid concern.
     
  3. Coach Micool

    Coach Micool Let's Go Brandon!

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    Look, I'm no idiot when it comes to coaching, and sure, just because I've won a dozen championships as HC and OC of pop warners teams doesn't mean I can go out there and coach HS, Coll, or certainly the NFL. But I know a dang thing or two about game planning. I actually do it, which actually has won me championships with lesser talent. Hardly anybody does it at my level, but sometimes when I know I'm gonna go up against a bigger, stronger, better team, I can help my boys know where and how to attack them. Does it work every time, no, but it don't hurt either.

    I also know what it means to have good fundies, which the panthers are sucky at. And that can be attributed to coaching.

    Gameplanning/exploitation is not all about, 'hey those guys can't stop the run, let's run it all day!'

    It's about how you run. It's about when you run. It's about where you run. It's about do it till they stop it. If they stop it the first time, do it fukin again. Not keep doing over and over- the same way at the same time at the same place, if it ain't working either.

    Same with the pass.

    If I can tell by the formation what the play is gonna be, the other teams do too. They sure know how to game plan us. It's patently obvious. Hell a good gameplan can quash execution. So to say our doods ain't executing, well that's a fallacy most times.

    Also, I didn't say we never exploited, but we didn't consistently. Hell, when you match up well abainst a team that sucks in an area, every now and then, like the rams game, you are gonna be successful without a whole lotta effort- especially when everything is hitting well.

    The best we have done this as a team under the current regime has been in the post season, much to my, and many here, pleasant surprise.

    We just don't do it consistently.
     
  4. Collin

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    I think it's awesome that you take the time to coach kids, but in my opinion from what I have seen you post over time, no, I don't think you really "get" much of the NFL.
    And I can read plays for almost every team in the league. That's because hardly any teams give up their tendencies to try and be "different." As I tried to explain to you, that's not the way it works in the NFL. At that level you don't gain many of your yards by fooling the defense, you gain them by forcing advantageous situations and executing well. That's why you don't see a lot of variation in Philadelphia's gameplan or Washington's gameplan or New England's gameplan regardless of who they are playing. Actually I think if you watched other NFL teams more you might realize that you're assuming incorrectly about what the Panthers are and aren't doing.
    That's hardly ever true. Sometimes you can disrupt execution, but if a team is blocking like they're supposed to and the back is going where he's supposed to, the offense will have success regardless of what the defense is doing. That's why teams like Kansas City aren't forced to pass when defenses put 8 men in the box, because their execution beats whatever game plan the opposing team can come up with. They have to go to the air when the execution fails.
    Uh ... no. It's pretty obvious that the players are executing poorly and sometimes very poorly. As you said, the technique part and the discipline part goes back at least in part to coaching.
     
  5. McFly41

    McFly41 Work Hard...PLAY HARDER!

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    Doesn't matter how good a gameplan is, execution is the only thing that can squash execution.
    You can have the best gameplan in the world, if it's not executed properly...your done! But a poor gameplan, if executed well has a chance, a sliver of a chance.

    Point is, they are are two different things. It's like a gameplan = set up instructions and execution = you putting the instructions to use. One requires the other in order for it to work by design.
     
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    I don't believe there are that many times that we've had an excellent gameplan. It's just "the things we always do worked this time."
    Either way, Henning's also shouldering part of the execution. The players and the talent level play into that also, but in the end, at some point I'd have expected above average offense for a solid season here at least once and we haven't had it. If Trgovac had posted multiple seasons in the bottom half of the league, there would be tons of screams for his head.
     
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    Collin soap and water

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    There are anyway. But for what it's worth, Henning's offenses have ranked 30th (Peete), 15th, 13th, 8th, and currently 27th in points, then 31st, 16th, 13th, 22nd, and 19th in yards.
     
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    McFly41 Work Hard...PLAY HARDER!

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    Curious, wonder what the injury reports looked like comparatively in those years?:stupidpc:
     
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    In the sense that the Offensive buck stops with him, but isn't that more incumbent on the position coaches? I'm asking in a way that says I think it is.
     
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    so basically exactly as I stated. We've been "above average", if you take "average" to mean exactly 50%, once in yards.
     

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