Game Balls

I believe "short" to be 5 yards, and yeah, they did make some mistakes.

Four isn't "a couple"? Sure, literally, that's two. So you "humiliated" me over you stating 4 instead of 2. Gotcha.

By my count, if you want to throw out the 6 yarders, I still count 7-15 yards as "intermediate", not deep. Of course, you're calling ten yards "short", so I'm sure you'll have a problem with it, but by my criteria, he had 10 intermediate throws. No, I don't believe intermediate only counts from 10-15 or 15-20.

and yet they still count. It doesn't worsen his performance, and it's odd you act like RAC "excludes" yards from Jake or something. Receivers get YAC. That's what they're supposed to do.

that's your opinion. And it just happens to be something that also pisses you off, coincidentally I'm sure. End result, I believe he was "good" despite two fumbles. You hopping up and down telling me my opinion is invalid because you say so, just reflects on you.

You challenged me about it. I stated my position before you chimed in, and you "corrected" me on what my opinion should be. Sorry, this was your problem. But you've never had a problem pretending that something that angers you is my fault so you could be bitchy about it.

 

Collin, can you quantify "several" balls that Key and Smitty had to go up and get. And explain how you define "leap." Just so we know. I saw Brady's receivers have to "leap" (full extended stretches with the feet leaving the ground?) for several throws. Does that make him a bad QB? My thinking is that if it's catchable and not getting the receiver killed, the QB has generally done a good enough job of delivering the ball. I didn't think our receivers were having to go up nearly as much to get the ball as they had been. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm biased towards Jake so I may be forgetting a few.

When you are counting, would it make sense not to count balls that probably had little to no chance if they weren't thown high? (Just saying as I'm sure that when Key is tightly covered the thought is to get it to him high to give him a chance ... so I wouldn't think we would count those throws against him). It seemed Jake was trying hard to bring the ball down ... so much so that at least a couple of balls got in there too low. 4 overthrows is about what i was thinking. He still sailed a few, which was disappointing, but overall showed much improvement (btw, anyone see C. Palmer nearly get his receiver killed with that one high throw ... and that seems to be a lot of their system, to throw it high and let their receivers go up and get it). It's a positive that I hope continues.

When a team is playing cover-two does that not force their opponent to accept a lot of short throws? I would think it would but am not sure. If so, if a team a QB recognize this would that be a good thing? It seemed like most of our long fly routes were well covered. Slow developing routes didn't have a lot a chance because of our line ... unless we had them thinking run. I'm wondering too if the Bucs LBs aren't pretty quick and do a good job of dropping into those intermediate zones ... course, if so, that's what bit them on the ass on Jake's scramble at the end of the game.

What is not a positive is the offensive line, our linebacker play and our running game. Otherwise; Key, Smitty and Carter look like they could be special together if we can get some time to throw to them ... and Jake continues to improve his accuracy.

 

I didn't challenge you, I said that Smith could have given us a chance to win games that we lost and that he could have helped with some of Jakes problems as our QB. If you continue to disagree with that you then you are a fucking moron, well we already know this, but you just confirm it everytime you write anything here.

Oh, my pussy hurts, one of these days you may know how to fuck a pussy and actually make it hurt. Dude, there are many more ways to try and have a little manhood than the shit that you pull that doesn't work.

Lmao, you are so fucking dumb! The only person that ever says you are 100% correct is yourself. You truly are a pathetic piece of internet troll. Not only do you have to constantly pat yourself on the back, you are the only one that seems to do so. You really need to take it easy on this board, it's not my fault or anybody else's that you don't have any love in your life and that you make a football message board your life, which you aren't very good at.

Yes you do get the occasional agreement by myself and a few others a very small amount of the time, but that's it. Generally you are wrong and most don't agree with you, that's a fact and very easy to understand. I would show quotes for you but then I would be quoting any/every thread that you have posted any remarks.

If you could show me where you don't get into an argument with most everybody and that they agree with you all the time, then I will admit you are right and I am wrong, but until you actually do this instead of stating YOUR FUCKING OPINION AS FACT OR THAT YOU DID THIS OR THAT then nobody will every take your serious.

I am glad that you at least know how to toot your own horn, because that's all that you will ever seem to get in life.

 

I'm a little late to this conversation but do we really place all the blame for the Delhomme fumbles (specifically the type that occurred in this game) on the QB? Don't those fumbles belong to the tackles?

 

You have to ask the resident Jackass to get the right/correct opinion on this.

 

One could assume that yes, the Oline deserves some blame. One could also suggest that Delhomme should hold the ball with two hands and his time clock should be quicker knowing his tackles arent playing at a comfortable level right now. But look around the league, when QB's get blindsided, bad things happen.

 

like most things, more than one thing had to go wrong to cause this disaster. Not only did the tackles screw up, but Jake was hesitant pulling the trigger on throwing the ball, trying to make something happen. More to the point, he was holding the ball too far down and couldn't easily secure it.

 

I guess this is where the typical "kill shot" mentality comes in and things get really sad. "no, it is you who are the ball-lickers!"
Jake was "good". No amount of being angry about that changes that opinion.

 

Pre-emptive strike. Unusual, but impressive, nonetheless.

 

I've been here before. Being yelled at over the difference between "decent" and "good", definition of what "is" is, it really lacks interest.