Evidence, proof, whatever. It was a damn designed play.

I still believe (at the risk of having my asshole torn out) that it was a called play. Problem is, like every other trick play that we have attemped, that we do not have the personnel to pull this type of shit off. And if it wasn't designed and called, don't you think Crossman and/or Fox would have had a chat with Gamble, instead of simply tapping him on his helmet? Fox's "wtf?" is too ambiguous.



Anyway, Fanz is absolutely right. At that point of the game, with the lead, and the field position, it was a horrible idea. Lesson learned.

 

For the record, I'm not clearing Crossman. I doubt Fox approved the play at that particular time, as PFanz put it, just as I don't think Fox would be asked to approve Henning running a flea flicker or Trgovac using a sell out blitz. Whether or not Crossman expressly told the special teams unit to use the play at that particular time, he gets plenty of blame from me for the fake field goal defense that followed.

 

Does he know about every call? Yes. Does he know the gameplans for the week, does he help practice them? Yes. Does he call every play? Of course not. Does he have a hand in what we do offensively? Yes. He has a hand in every "special" play as does every head coach in the NFL.

The point of contention with you and PF is that he didn't know about the play. He knew about the play and had the ability to veto it. No one specifically said he called the play, including Fox.

 

I feel ya dog...Lots of emotion in this game. Obviously Gamble was not directly told the play was off the table. There is a lot going down and probably Fox and/or Crossman just assumed that nobody would try it. I dare say that is not a mistake that is going to happen again.

 

Oh, he does? So the head coach knows about every call in the game, on offense, defense, and special teams. All of that goes through him? That's very interesting.

 

knows about? Certainly. The head coach hears both booths, and frequently converses with Skipper about the offense. He certainly does have the final call on anything he wants to veto.

 

Yeah, I'm not suggesting that every single word that comes out of any coaches mouth goes through Fox first or we'd need 100 time outs. But knowing that play was "out there" it should have been vetoed or they should have been more specific in game planning earlier in the week. Such as "if we're in the lead and doing ok, this is NOT an option". A good manager covers all bases and options for every possible scenario. Maybe at some point, they weren't specific enough about under what circumstances that play should be made.

 

My mistake for not thinking you would actually lie. No, actually the head coach is not aware of every call on every play. But I guess you saw the logic trap I had set for you and decided you'd rather lie your way out of it.

 

Not trying to answer the question for him, but my understanding is that any type of gadget play, particularly on special teams (suprise onside, throwback, etc.) is suggested to the head coach beforehand.

 

100 bucks says that any 'out of the ordinary play', like the bozo one sunday, goes by the ear of fox for his approval one way or another. I believe if that play wasn't, there'd have been a dang firing last night.